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Every motorhome owner knows the pain of showers—pressing the hot water button, only to wait half an hour for just two minutes of warmth. But no more… In this episode of the Motorhome Matt podcast, Matt and Keith dive into Truma’s latest innovations, including a brand-new heating and hot water system that could change the game for motorhome users. Could this mean instant, endless showers at last?

Plus, we explore Truma’s cutting-edge air conditioning unit and how it stacks up against the competition. Matt speaks with Truma UK’s Martin Fitzpatrick to get the inside scoop.

In the news, vehicle tax is on the rise. We break down the upcoming increases, including how much more you’ll be paying and what it means for owners.

In the Q&A, Matt tackles your questions on air suspension and insurance, travelling with a table in place, and how to secure the best motorhome discounts.

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Episode Transcript

Keith Gooden

In today’s episode of the Motorhome Matt podcast…

Matt Sims

We dive into Truma’s new product launches.

Keith Gooden

In the news, vehicle tax is going up for motorhome owners.

Matt Sims

And we answer your questions on insurance, stowing a table and motorhome prices.

Keith Gooden

Welcome to the Motorhome Matt podcast. I’m Keith Gooden.

Matt Sims

And I’m Motorhome Matt.

Keith Gooden

Industry insights and expert advice for the world of motorhomes, caravans and campervans, brought to you by www.thatleisureshop.com and sponsored by Ripe.

Matt Sims

Now remember, please do follow on your favourite podcast app. Or if you’re watching on YouTube, click subscribe and the little bell. Our YouTube channel is sponsored by www.arobasecreative.co.uk.

Vehicle tax is increasing in 2025

Keith Gooden

Let’s delve into the news. Road tax is going up, Matt!

Matt Sims

It is indeed, yeah. The vehicle excise duty, as it’s officially known, is going to be going up from the first of April 2025. So if you’re a motorhomer and you’re under three and a half tonnes, you’re what’s known as private light goods. It’s going up by another £20, which will take it to £365 a year.

And for the first time in a long time, the private heavy goods vehicle class – so this is for motorhomes over three and a half tonnes – is going up by £6 to £171. I don’t know who came up with that figure, but anyway, it’s going up. It’s been £165 for years, so I think the fact that they’re increasing it by this notional amount is a sign of what’s to come next year.

Truma’s new CombiNeo heating system

Keith Gooden

In this week’s episode, what is an iNet and why are you excited?

Matt Sims

So this is the Truma control panel where you can remote control it from your phone. So you can cleverly send it a text and turn your water heating on or your van heating on from the beach or a walk or wherever.

And the new Truma system has not featured that functionality since it launched. And every time I see any member of Truma I ask them.There’s been a few times where they’ve been giving a presentation, they open the floor to open the floor to questions. And Martin, the managing director, is giving the presentation. He looks at me and goes, “Oh, not again.”

And every time I see him, I ask him. It has finally been launched, and you can buy one with the iNet functionality from April this year. They launched it at the recent Motorhome and Caravan Show at the NEC, which I was very excited about. I finally got the managing director of Truma UK on the podcast. Martin Fitzpatrick, a very warm welcome.

Martin Fitzpatrick

Thank you very much, Matt. I’m delighted to be talking to you today.

Matt Sims

Why has it taken three years for you to come on the podcast?

Martin Fitzpatrick

I reckon we wanted to save this opportunity for some really big news. We didn’t want to just go through the the normal little things about little bits and pieces. I wanted to save it for a really big occasion, Matt.

Matt Sims

Well, today is that day. At Truma, you have launched a number of new products, and this is genuinely quite exciting. I’m not easily impressed, but today I am. Tell us what you’ve launched.

Martin Fitzpatrick

I will. I’ll start with our biggest launch today, which is our Combi Neo. For those people who have been in the industry for a while, they might recognise Truma Combi as one of our heating systems. And the Truma Combi Neo is our latest in that line. Neo is from Greek meaning new. That’s exactly what it is. It’s a new system.

It’s so new that it doesn’t actually have any components from the existing Combi range. It’s brand new. Every nut, bolt and part in there has been designed from the bottom up, and it’s been designed with a real key feature for the customer with motorhoming in mind, and that’s endless showering.

Now, if you’re a caravan or motorhome user and you’re using your showers, you’ll be in the habit of having a nice, hot shower, but you know, after a certain amount of time that water will run out and you’ll have to wait for the next shower. The Combi Neo combats that problem by actually introducing endless showering all in one heating and hot water device.

So it’s something we feel is a little bit of a game changer for those people who like to go away. Picture this – a lady with long hair who likes maybe to use one or two conditioning products. She can take as long in that shower as she wants to. She’s not going to have to rush because the hot water is going to run out.

Or a family of four or five that are maybe getting ready for an evening meal, and they’re washing all the kids one after another. There’s no limit on the amount of time that you can spend in the shower with the new device.

The limit really is only as much water as you can get access to. So, you know, a motorhome with a big water tank, that’s going to be fairly unlimited. If you’re on a hook up site with a pitch, super pitch, where you can get water, then you really can shower to your heart’s content.

Matt Sims

Could you have launched this, like, 20 years ago? Because I have spent ages telling the kids, “Don’t be too long in that shower!” And then it goes cold and we have to wait another 40 minutes for our Truma boiler to warm it up again. And I’ve spent the last 15 years with hire customers explaining why the water is not hot yet. “How long has it been on?” “Oh, 10 minutes.” “You need to wait another half an hour.”

Martin Fitzpatrick

You’re dead, right, Matt, and you’ve been a bit of a pioneer in some of those things you’ve done. But like myself, you’re a user of the product. I think it’s so easy to look back and think of things you could do.

We’re looking forward to the things that we’re bringing to the marketplace. I’ve also had those sort of PR trips sometimes where there’s been 10 of us wanting to shower, and it’s been real Navy showers of 30 seconds each, turn the water off, turn it back on. But this is a game changer for us that we are actually so proud to launch here.

Truma has just celebrated 75 years in business, and during that time, we invented many things for the caravan industry. We’re the people to invent the first heater in the ’60s, which allowed people to use caravans and motorhomes during the winter period.

You know, this is the start of our next 75 years. I think someone told me we’ve made over 6 million heaters. This is the first of hopefully the next 6 million. And we’re really proud in the UK that the first global customer is Auto Sleeper. They’ve actually started here in the UK, and they’re at this show proudly selling vehicles with a new Combi Neo in.

Matt Sims

Let’s stick with the features of it, then. So it runs on gas and or electric as standard.

Martin Fitzpatrick

Correct. That’s right, we do a four kilowatt gas size or a six kilowatt gas size. In both of those, there is a three kilowatt electric system as well. So you can use it solely on gas or solely on electric, or you can use it in hybrid mode, where you use the two of them together.

Now, in either device, that means you get a peak of seven kilowatt of power. So we talk about endless showering. But of course, the other thing it does is heating up the vehicle. So if you use that maximum power, you’ve got seven kilowatts of power heating up your vehicle, which means you get it nice and hot very quickly.

Matt Sims

Yeah, really fast.

Martin Fitzpatrick

Yeah, absolutely. I’ve been on some Arctic trips where literally, within 15 to 20 minutes you’re having to turn the heating down. It gets warm that quick.

Matt Sims

So one of the limitations the old boiler is it wouldn’t heat the motorhome. If you had the hot water on, you had to turn the hot water off to get the van hot. Does this one have the same challenge?

Martin Fitzpatrick

Well, it would actually do both of those, but it would be somewhat limited in trying to do everything in one go. And in a similar way, what the Combi Neo will do is when you put it into your shower and comfort mode, it will actually take just one time over the trip.

So let’s say we parked up for the weekend, Matt. You and I have gone away. By the time we pitch up and plug in, only once do we have to warm up and wait. That’s the first heat, because there’s a small, six litre tank in there that needs warming and priming to go.

But after that first heat, the rest of the weekend, there’s no waiting time. We’re on shower mode, so the device will prioritise to warm in that very short space of time, and then it will take over and get the vehicle nice and warm as well.

Matt Sims

So this is like my Combi boiler at home, then.

Martin Fitzpatrick

Almost. That’s what we’re trying to create in a caravan or motorhome. Your Combi boiler at home is a lot more powerful. You’ve got 20 to 30 kilowatt of gas that it can go up to and it is instantaneous without the storage tank, but it is giving you the same effect here.

We’re actually saying in a caravan or a motorhome, you can get that sort of feeling that you can at home, where you can actually not worry about having to wait for a shower to come on. You just put it on and you shower away.

Matt Sims

And it’s a smaller unit as well, isn’t it, than the previous contender?

Martin Fitzpatrick

It is indeed. The footprint is similar to the Combi we have, but it’s a much lower profile. So we made the promise to our manufacturing customers. They’re fitting the existing Combi. They certainly can fit the new one, but actually, with it being a lower profile, there might be some cases in lower bunks or tighter spaces where they can fit the new one, where they might have been restricted previously.

Matt Sims

So the big question is, can I retrofit one as a consumer?

Martin Fitzpatrick

Obviously you’d need the right qualifications. We are obviously a very safety conscious company when it comes to gas and electric, but certainly, if you had the existing Combi, you should have the space and the services to. In time, when we launch, probably in a year to 18 months, this in a single pack for retrofit we’d be able to work with our installers, and customers would be able to go and get this retrofitted.

Matt Sims

So it’s probably going to be 2027 before we can buy this unit off the shelf and fit it ourselves or get someone professionally qualified to fit it for us.

Martin Fitzpatrick

Yes. Obviously our first line of sales is through manufacturers of new caravans and motorhomes. So those are the people that we’re speaking to across Europe, and once we’ve satisfied that initial demand for it, then we’ll be able to turn our attention to the literally millions of customers out there that might be so happy with our current vehicle, but just want these features. They’ll be next in line to get them.

Matt Sims

And they are definitely features worth having. Now, another future development – I’ve got to ask – will it be available in a diesel powered format?

Martin Fitzpatrick

It will indeed, Matt. Our development team have quite a road map. At the moment, this is certified for Europe, not North America or Australia, so they’re also on the road map. But the diesel version is coming in the next phase as well.

Truma iNet

Matt Sims

So the other big thing you’ve launched, finally, is the iNet facility for your current control panel.

Martin Fitzpatrick

That’s right, Matt, and this is something you’ve personally been very keen to get hold of.

Matt Sims

Every time I see you, I ask you, “Where is it?”

Martin Fitzpatrick

You do indeed. I actually have your first device with me. So as soon as we finish this interview, I have one for you, because we were keen for you to demonstrate it and get to play with it. So for those people who don’t know as much as you at the moment, our control panel, the iNet X, is a touch screen control panel in the vehicle.

This can just with the touch of a button put your heating on or your hot water on, or if you’re linked into an air conditioner, it can put your cooling on. As standard, this has a Bluetooth function.

So for those people who like to use their apps, maybe use their phone or their tablet for control, there’s an inbuilt Bluetooth that means whilst you’re within about 10 meters of the control panel, you can control it on your smartphone.

Now, we have had customer demand – you in particular, and others – who say that’s great, but when I’m at the beach or I’m a little bit further away and I want to put the air conditioning on to cool the van for when I get back, how do I do that?

And now the iNet system has been upgraded to include a device called the iNet X Connect. That device connects into the back of the control panel, and then anyone who would be using the app up to that point, the app would open up a special hidden menu. It automatically recognises that this device is fitted, and it would allow you from distance, then, miles away, over the internet, to be able to reprogram back to your vehicle.

So if you’ve gone out for the day, and it was cold when you went out, but the sun started shining – hopefully this year! – and you think, “I want the van to be nice and cool when I get back,” you could tap in to turn your air conditioning on, and that would be ready for when you get back. Or vice versa, put the heating on. It’s available from far field remote control from this April with the iNet X Connect device.

Matt Sims

So it’s available from April. But you’ve got one for me today?

Martin Fitzpatrick

I have indeed, yes!

Matt Sims

I get the feeling I’ve been discussed in the boardroom.

Martin Fitzpatrick

In more than one way.

Matt Sims

Oh, dear… so does it work on a SIM card?

Martin Fitzpatrick

It does. It’s a digital e-SIM. And this, I think, is very important, because what the new digital e-SIMs allow you to do… I’m not the most techy person, but I’ll try and explain this as a simple point. It operates across all the main European networks.

So if you’re on a network in the UK, but you’re traveling aboard to France and Spain, this digital SIM will pick up that particular network that’s most available. When you buy the device, it actually comes with a two-year subscription included. So when you have it fitted and activated, from that point, you get two years of free use.

So whatever part of Europe you’re operating in, it’s already built into there. After two years, the app will also tell you that you can continue to subscribe. You can do it on a monthly basis. Let’s say you only go away in the summer. You can take out a one month subscription for a couple of euros. If you are a big user and you think, well, there’s a bit more benefit in buying an annual package which will save you money, you can do that as well.

Matt Sims

And what does the annual package cost, do you know?

Martin Fitzpatrick

I think in euros, I remember, it’s around about €50. Otherwise, it’s about €6 or €7 per month, if you just buy it each month. So you can see how that would save you money if you’re a big user.

Matt Sims

I’m very excited to be testing one, and it’ll be my privilege to do so. Thank you very much. I will tell you how I get on with it. And there’s another new product from Truma this year. It’s an air conditioning unit. Can we wander over and take a look?

Martin Fitzpatrick

Of course we can, absolutely.

Matt Sims

Let’s do that.

Truma Aventa Air Conditioning Unit

Matt Sims

So Truma have been known for many, many years for doing heating, but you’re also cool as well. Can I say that?

Martin Fitzpatrick

You can certainly say that, Matt!

Matt Sims

You’ve been into AC for what, 20 years?

Martin Fitzpatrick

A little over 20 years ago we got into air conditioning, and we’re very proud to have grown our market share in that time. We’re probably seen as been at the premier end of the air conditioners that are available. So it’s a really good product line for us.

Matt Sims

So tell us about the new air conditioning unit you’ve launched.

Martin Fitzpatrick

I think the first thing to say, Matt is globally, air conditioning and refrigeration is one of those industries that hasn’t always had the best reputation because of the gasses that you need to use in the products to make them work.

Matt Sims

We call them F gases, don’t we?

Martin Fitzpatrick

Yes, there’s different gasses, but basically, they’re not the nicest of substances. They are something we’d like to – and with the second generation we’ve achieved it – move away from. I’m going to be very careful with my words now, but we want to, of course, be better for the environment.

Any product you make out of plastic and other bits, you can’t really say it’s green or eco-friendly. But what we’ve done is we actually have engineered out the first generation gas and refrigerant, and we’ve got a new one, which unfortunately, is a little trade secret.

But if I get techy for a moment, it’s got a global warming potential of zero. And that means it’s one of the best gasses to use for refrigeration and air conditioning. So we’ve started with that as our base, and that then works back into how the physics and the chemistry work.

So what we’re able to achieve is we’ve started with the gas and work backwards. It meant the compressor could be new, the shape and the format of it could be new. So our air conditioners, in the final product, have achieved not just being a better product for the environment, which was the key driver, they’ve actually become lighter like for like.

They’ve actually become smaller footprint like for like, and that allows them to actually be put onto more vehicles. And they’ve also, like we’ve just touched upon, come with the latest, easy to use controls, Bluetooth as standard.

So in that engineering, we think we’ve achieved a few key points there. We like also to be as efficient as possible. So the electric compressor there is using as little amperage power as possible, which you know, on some of those hottest sites on the continent, you sometimes get the least power when you need it most.

So we’ve made sure that our products are cooling off as little as four or five amps when it’s actually running. And we’ve put a softer start in there, so you don’t get some of these peaks that you sometimes achieve with starting up an air conditioning unit.

Matt Sims

That was always our problem. The one place we wanted to use we wanted to use our Gen one Truma unit was in France. We’ve got a five amp supply. Turn it on, bang, campsite’s off. You can’t use it. It’s really annoying.

Martin Fitzpatrick

It can be, you’re absolutely right. And you know, all the products come with various levels that you could operate them under. On the existing first generation, there’s an eco version, which would lower that average draw.

But you’re quite right, there’d always be a limit to what would be available. And we think with the second generation, we’ve pushed those limits further down to make it easier to use on sites that are much more limited on their power.

Matt Sims

So what’s in the gas then?

Martin Fitzpatrick

Unfortunately, it’s a little trade secret.

Matt Sims

I thought I was going to catch you out!

Martin Fitzpatrick

And I guess in time, a lot of our competitors will try and catch up. But you know, this is a gas that, as I say, still has to come out of the earth, so it’s not eco friendly, but it is one that’s causing the least amount of damage possible to the environment. And of that, we’re quite proud.

Matt Sims

Is it like the recipe for Coca Cola?

Martin Fitzpatrick

A little bit, but I certainly wouldn’t drink it!

Matt Sims

Tell me truth – is the AC industry responding to this challenge in the same way, or is this a Truma only kind of response?

Martin Fitzpatrick

I’d love to say Truma only and give us a huge competitive advantage, but it is something that globally, all air conditioners and refrigeration people have to do. Because, quite rightly, the gasses that are currently used are becoming less available. People want to restrict them, make them more expensive, so that people are almost commercially forced to find new solutions.

Matt Sims

Now, this is available retail, isn’t it? I can go and purchase one from a stockist.

Martin Fitzpatrick

You can sign up today, Matt, on our stand at the NEC. Or you can go to your dealership stockist very soon and order them. We are launching three new models. All models come with reverse cycle heating. So when you turn the compressor the other way, they’ll also do heating on there. And they are available from just under £2,000 to the top of the range one at about £2,400.

Matt Sims

So do you think we’re going to see these more and more in vehicles that are non-gas? So we’ve seen this big trend for all electric, non-fossil fuel… assuming the electric’s clean, of course! Is this ideal then to cool and heat a motorhome?

Martin Fitzpatrick

Absolutely. Yeah, that’s that’s quite right, Matt, that as people are moving towards all electric vehicles, this electric power, which is cooling and warming, is a solution that you can actually immediately drop onto some of these vehicles.

Matt Sims

And what have you called it? Are you giving it a sexy new name?

Martin Fitzpatrick

It’s a little bit more pragmatic than that. It’s the Aventa range, which we’ve established through the first generation, and we’ve very cleverly called it the second generation.

Matt Sims

You’re like the Second Severn Crossing.

Martin Fitzpatrick

Exactly right. Yes.

Matt Sims

So if you want to find out more, you can head to the Truma website. And no doubt you will have this at future shows as well.

Martin Fitzpatrick

Absolutely, Matt, yeah.

Matt Sims

Martin, thank you so much for coming on the podcast. It has been a long time coming. I know I’ve asked you 1,000 times. I really appreciate you taking the time out to talk to me, and I know our listeners and viewers will really appreciate it too. So thank you.

Martin Fitzpatrick

Thank you very much, Matt. It certainly won’t be another three years. I’ll see you soon!

Matt Sims

I’ll hold you to that. A massive thank you to Martin Fitzpatrick, the managing director of Truma UK, for agreeing finally to come on the podcast, and Holly and the team for helping us organise that as well. Great to meet you all.

Audience Q&A

Keith Gooden

It’s the Motorhome Matt podcast. I’m Keith Gooden.

Matt Sims

And I’m Motorhome Matt.

Keith Gooden

And it’s brought to you with www.thatleisureshop.com and sponsored by Ripe. Now it is our Q and A, our questions and answers. We do it every week. We couldn’t do it without you. Thank you for your questions. You ask them, and motorhome Matt, for it is he, he is the expert, he will answer them! And if he doesn’t know, he will go out and about and find somebody who does.

Matt Sims

I’m joined by Mel from Ripe. Hi there. We’ve got a Q and A with John from Basingstoke. He asks, “I’ve been thinking of getting air suspension added to my van, and after watching your recent podcast, I decided to go ahead and use the Motorhome Matt Approved company Airide.”

“However, when I called my insurer, they said that if my suspension moved by more than plus or minus six centimeters, so just over two inches, they would no longer insure me. If I was less than this amount, they would charge a 10% premium. Airide were really surprised by this. Thanks in advance.” Mel, what do you have to say about that?

Melissa Savage

Yeah, that is the case with some insurers. However, with Ripe, we don’t have any limit on the lowering or hiring of suspension. All that we say is that you need to make sure that it is professionally done and also road legal.

Matt Sims

Now, your main concern, though, is safety, isn’t it, in terms of making adaptations to a campervan. Can you just expand that a bit more, the bits you are concerned about?

Melissa Savage

A lot of people are doing conversions these days. They’re making modifications to their vehicle, which is fantastic, but I’ve got some top tips on how to make sure that you can still get insurance. Number one is making sure that all the dangerous bits are professionally done. That’s your heating, your electrics.

Let’s make sure everything’s as safe as it possibly can be. Number two is to make sure that you’re insuring not just the outside, but the inside as well. One of the main things that we’ve come across through the customer feedback is that a lot of people are having to insure it as a van, not as a camper with conversions.

What that means is all the hard work and the money that you’ve spent is not actually covered inside. Not a problem for us, though, at Ripe. We’ll cover it inside and out. That’s fine. Modifications – make sure that your modifications are obviously road legal as always. That’s the most important thing.

But also, the only things that we need to know at Ripe are if it affects your suspension, your performance or your brakes. If it affects those, we need to know about it. If it doesn’t, you’ve just changed a bumper or something like that, don’t worry about it.

Matt Sims

So it makes it really simple for people making a conversion. And do you need people to evidence the conversion with photographs? You say about insuring the inside. Do you want to see evidence of that?

Melissa Savage

Not up front. We don’t ask for anything up front. In the event of a claim, they may ask for that. One of the things that you can do, you can try to register the van as a motor caravan with the DVLA. That will massively help. But if you can’t, again, it doesn’t matter. Here at Ripe, all that we need you to do is fit seven simple requirements, and we’ll be able to offer cover. And to be honest, the requirements are what all campers should fit anyway.

Matt Sims

So you heard it there from the horse’s mouth. Sorry to call you a horse! But you will insure a van with windows as a campervan.

Melissa Savage

Correct.

Matt Sims

There you go. That is a question we get asked a lot here. So if you need insurance, then make sure you go and check out a premium with Ripe, because you could save 15% if you ring them and quote, MOTORHOMEMATT or click the link in the description.

Keith Gooden

It’s the Motorhome Matt podcast. I’m Keith Gooden.

Matt Sims

And I’m Motorhome Matt.

Keith Gooden

And it is brought to you with www.thatleisureshop.com and sponsored by Ripe. We’re in our Q and A, our questions and answers, and Jan is in Burton on Trent.

Jan

Hi Matt, Hi, Keith. I bought a VW campervan during COVID, and have now upscaled to a 6.3-metre Etrusco with a typical half dinette layout. I have a question about the table. When I received the van from new it was covered in safety stickers on the inside, most of which I removed.

There was nothing about the table. Is it safe and legal for a rear passenger to travel with the table in place? If I have to remove it, there’s no dedicated place to store it while travelling, but it could go in the bathroom or under the bed. Your advice is greatly anticipated. Cheers, Jan.

Keith Gooden

Cheers, Jan. Oh, he just said that, didn’t he? So what’s he to do with this table then, Matt?

Matt Sims

This has come up before. So in a British built motorhome, there’s often somewhere to stow the table, in the wardrobe or behind the seat, against a piece of furniture. But it’s quite common for European built motorhomes to not offer that.

What we do is we leave the table in situ and we secure it with the driver or passenger seat, depending on which side your habitation door is on. There’s no law or rule around traveling with it in situ. You can. You’re not breaking any law.

Common sense needs to prevail. Be mindful that the table is loose, and it can come loose, then that could be a problem in an accident. But we push the driver seat, as I say, or passenger seat, up against it and push the table forward.

It normally is on a slider, so you can move it forward and back. Try and keep pressure on it. I’m assuming your table attaches to the wall. If it’s a floating table, single leg, then always lock it off when you’re travelling. That would be my advice. It’s actually a really useful feature for the kids in the back.

Keith Gooden

Dean Feetham’s in Sheffield, Matt and glamour model Keith.

Matt Sims

He obviously only listens to the podcast.

Keith Gooden

“I’ve been putting off getting a motorhome for four years.” He visited the Cathargo factory and was super impressed, but not with the prices. “I listened to your back catalogue of episodes and all the ups on price and downs on availability. Great to hear that there appears to be at market correction underway.”

“Lots of resale motorhomes are entering the market. Stock on hand, for instance, when you visit retailers and committed orders in the pipeline for 2025.” Here comes the rub. “What realistic discounts do you think we can extract from retailers?” Or to put it in a more positive way, “How much more value can I get when ordering a new motorhome for, say, April or May delivery?” Cheers, Dean. He says he’s a tight bottomed Yorkshireman.

Matt Sims

I’d never have guessed. Well, I would start by listening to last week’s episode, if you’ve not already, with Auto Trader. That gives kind of a market analysis of how we are as an industry and how they perceive us based on their data. There are big discounts around, particularly on 2024 models.

It’s interesting that you’ve picked on Cathargo. And well pronounced there, Keith, you’ve got it right. I would definitely go and talk to the dealer, because a lot of the discounts are being funded by the manufacturer, and dealers are getting a bad rep for this, because I see dealers discounting by a big number – £15,000, for example, and then they’re being thrown under the bus by the consumer.

They say, “Blimey, how much money have you got in it, then?” Well, that’s because the manufacturer has reduced it for them, and they’re passing that on. So go and talk to the dealer, because that retailer may have an agreement with the manufacturer on underwriting a further discount for you. So definitely have a conversation.

Become friends with the dealer, and go and have a proper conversation around the purchase price. Typically £5,000. I’ve seen £17,000 off some models. But certainly, if there’s 2024 stock around and they’ve got multiples of them, they will want to sell them before they get to what’s known as a curtailment payment, when they have to start paying for the stock.

So if your timing is good, with a curtailment payment imminent, you may find you get a better deal. Again, ask them the question, “When are your curtailments due?” You never know. They might tell you.

Keith Gooden

Give a wink when you say, “When are your curtailments due?”

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Keith Gooden

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Recorded: 17 March 2025
Duration: 00:27:18
Hosts: Matt Sims, Keith Gooden
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