Keith Gooden
Welcome back to the Motorhome Matt podcast with me, Keith Gooden.
Matt Sims
And me, Motorhome Matt.
Keith Gooden
He’s the expert. Think of me as a ringmaster but without the chair and whip.
Matt Sims
And the big hat.
Keith Gooden
I could bring a chair and whip in.
Matt Sims
I’m glad you haven’t brought your whip with you.
Keith Gooden
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Matt Sims
You can find out more on our website, actually. We’ve just launched a new video telling people how they can get involved with us. www.motorhomematt.co.uk/sponsor – go and have a look!
Keith Gooden
It’d be great to be get you on board and be part of this ever growing family of people whose passion is motorhoming, caravanning and camping.
Motorhome Hire Open Event – 1st July 2023
Keith Gooden
Let’s delve into the news then, shall we, Matt? You have an open day.
Matt Sims
Yeah, this Saturday, actually.
Keith Gooden
That’s the first of July.
Matt Sims
It is, the first of July 2023. We called it a lull last week. All week I’ve been ribbed for two things.
Keith Gooden
What’s that, then?
Matt Sims
There was a lull in our motorhome hire diary. I see no problem with that. And a paddling swan.
Keith Gooden
It wasn’t the paddling swan that you were ribbed about – it was the piddling swan.
Matt Sims
Okay, I said pedalling, not paddling.
Keith Gooden
Yes, a swan on a bike.
Matt Sims
Or an e-bike.
Keith Gooden
Yeah, and also FUDing.
Matt Sims
FUDing – well, that’s a real thing.
Keith Gooden
You’ve got to be careful with that word. It means different things around the world.
Matt Sims
Does it? You’d know.
Keith Gooden
It absolutely does.
Matt Sims
Anyway, this Saturday, our hire team at Motorhome Holiday Company have got a whole load of motorhomes all clean and opened up ready for people to come and have a look at who are maybe thinking of a motorhome holiday for the first time.
Maybe you’re thinking of converting from a campervan to a motorhome or caravan to a motorhome. Or maybe you’ve got a motorhome and thinking of a different type of layout. Well, we’ve got a whole range of them for hire. So a number of things happen at this point in the year – our summer diary’s taken shape, and we have lots of little gaps that we are motivated to fill.
Keith Gooden
These are the lulls.
Matt Sims
They are lulls, yes. Often someone will pick a 10-day holiday, which creates a little gap before someone goes out for a week. So normally it’s a minimum of a week’s hire. At this time of the year, we drop that down to a few days. So if you’re flexible on when you can go, you may be lucky and get a gap in our diary and head off for a short adventure in peak season.
Keith Gooden
Remember, you don’t have to buy a motorhome – you can hire one! And Matt’s your man. So that’s the first of July 2023. What’s the opening time?
Matt Sims
We’re here from 10am to 4pm, really close to Western-super-Mare. So come down and then head off to the beach and grab an ice cream.
Keith Gooden
And what’s the postcode?
Matt Sims
BS24 6RT. The other thing we’ve got is 15% off. We’ve never done this before, and it’s been really interesting to see how it’s working. It’s working really well. If you’re a couple and you want to go in a two berth motorhome, normally they’re not so busy over the summer because all the kids are off school, but if you want to go somewhere just the two of you…
Keith Gooden
Just the two of you!
Matt Sims
Don’t do that again… then it’s 15% off all of our two berth motorhomes across the whole summer season.
Keith Gooden
You’re going to have a sexy weekend away – or even a week.
Matt Sims
Steady. He’s got his whip out again.
Keith Gooden
Just the two of you.
The transition to electric vehicles with Graeme Cooper: Part 2
Keith Gooden
Okay, it’s the Motorhome Matt podcast. I am Keith Gooden.
Matt Sims
And I am Motorhome Matt, slightly disturbed.
Keith Gooden
It’s brought to you with www.thatleisureshop.com. Last week we heard from Graeme Cooper, currently global vice president of energy transition at Jacobs.
Matt Sims
Yeah, a very important guy. What a big title. He’s actually off to Boston in the US. They’ve nicked him. They’re nicking his talent, apparently. Graeme used to be head of future markets at National Grid. And we’ve been doing such a lot of topics over the whole EV transition and this inevitable move to the world of electric. There’s lots of cynicism and mystique around this. And I wanted to unpack some of the facts and dispel a few myths.
Keith Gooden
It’s all about keeping you informed. So when the time comes, and it’s only a few years away, but when you make those choices, remember the Motorhome Matt podcast told you first.
Matt Sims
Well, we did! I also, though, want to be a bit of a voice, as it were, for our industry. Because I think we get forgotten. We get overlooked. It’s become apparent to me that there are very few people in our industry who are actually talking to the wider world about this transition. And it’s really important! We’re hundreds of thousands of people, and we matter.
How we use these vehicles is different to a DPD type of business or an Amazon type of business. We’ve got very specific needs, and actually we’re a headache for EV manufacturers. We want to drive a long way with a big weight in the back. That’s a nightmare for an electric van. And we want to charge them in a space that has lots of space.
And in fact, next week, we have a guy here from a charging manufacturer, an EV charger point company, who talks to us about chargers and how they’re evolving. And again, Simon, I wanted to make sure that he was aware of our world when they’re making some of their plans. So that’s next week’s episode. So go and listen to that after you’ve heard from Graeme.
Who is paying for the UK’s transition to net zero?
Matt Sims
But the big challenge we’ve had is about money. Who the heck is going to pay for all of this? And I started by asking Graeme, who exactly is going to pay for this?
Graeme Cooper
If you want the short answer, you and I have paid through our energy bills for the Grid to date. So why would that change? And you go, oh, crikey, bills are expensive. Well, let me give you a couple of numbers to help.
So firstly, it’s important that everybody who’s listening to this knows that the cost of the network is what is recovered through part of your daily standing charge. You have a pence per kilowatt hour, that’s the energy you use, but you have a daily standing charge. That’s made up of a whole bunch of things. Some of those are green levies. Some of those are for your distribution network. Some of those are for the transmission network.
So on an average bill, the cost of the National Grid to a bill payer is about £20.71 a year. £20 a year for the one of the most reliable grid networks in the world, what is a power cut, an hour in the dark worth to you? I’d happily pay £20 not to be stuck for an hour without power, right? So firstly, you could argue that actually, it’s pretty good value. The next thing to bear in mind is doubling of the Grid capacity is going to take an awful lot of money.
I mean, National Grid are in the process right now of spending £15 billion reinforcing the Grid from this more offshore wind, and you go okay, that’s a big number. So it will drive up that standing charge a little bit. But what it’s going to do is access cheap, secure power. Let me give you an example. When I was building onshore wind farms 10 or 15 years ago, we thought you’d never get the cost of offshore wind below £150 a megawatt hour.
Don’t worry about the numbers, but £150 was the cost per megawatt of offshore wind. But because of the advances in technology and because of the incentive schemes, offshore wind is is now generating at £37 per megawatt hour. What we will see is standing charges creeping up over the next decade as more money is spent on wires.
So actually, overall, bills will come down from where they are today. It’s just that you’ll pay a little less per kilowatt hour, you’ll pay a little bit more on your standing charge. But don’t forget, that’s allowing us to have a secure energy system, right? It’s self-generated power, so it’s more energy secure.
It’s cleaner power, so it’s good for the climate and air quality, and it’s also accessing the cheapest form of generation, which is renewables, right? Because the resource is free. So it’s one of those things. You need to see these things in the round.
Matt Sims
It feels like a huge amount of change coming, and I know you’ve got big change coming. You’re moving out to the USA. You’re actually moving on a visa, which gives you the same status as a rockstar. But I’m going to come back to that in a minute!
What is the rest of the world doing about transitioning to net zero emissions?
Matt Sims
We’re making all this effort as a country, and people say to me, and I go well, yeah, good question – what’s the point? What’s the rest of the world doing? It seems that they’ve not got the same legislation being imposed on them in just over a decade, as we record this. What is China doing? What is India doing? What is the point of the UK making all this effort and forcing all this change on us?
Graeme Cooper
Someone needs to be the grown-up in the room. And to be honest, on a world stage, you could argue that the UK is the grown-up in the room. We’ve been masters of lots of important legislation across Europe and setting targets across the world, right? So you can’t ask others to do something you’re not prepared to do yourself. We’ve been a leader in that space. But I’d also come back to… yes, if you cherry pick headlines, China’s built more coal plants per year than anybody else.
Can I just tell you, though, they’ve almost completely stopped building coal plants. In the last year, they’ve built more renewables than the rest of Europe put together. They end up building more EVs than the rest of Europe put together. So if you cherry pick your data, it looks like others are not doing very much and that we’re making all the running. No, I would strongly argue that others are carrying their weight. Some of them are late to the party.
So for example, I’m moving to the US in July this year. Part of that is because Joe Biden has put in the IRA, the Inflation Reduction Act. Okay, that is driving $13 trillion into decarbonising heat and transport and jobs for Americans and production in America. Even my own company I work for now, Jacobs, we built three battery factories last year for EVs. We’re in discussions to extend another one and double its size next year.
We are helping companies in America build solar factories for solar panels. So every country is observing this and doing it at its own pace. The other one you mentioned was India, which is a really interesting one.
Don’t forget, India is behind the curve on its growth and its maturity. Because it has a less mature grid, they could actually transition more quickly. They tend to do things more locally rather than from national government because it’s such a big country. Almost every country of the major emitters is making huge strides to cut their emissions. That’s on the global emissions piece.
Even if you are a climate denier, you don’t believe in global warming, manmade climate change, right, even if you’re not sure on the science, who doesn’t want to improve the health of every man, woman and child in the country that you sit in? 36,000 people die prematurely every year. It’s a horrible number. £200 million is the cost of poor air quality to the NHS and social care. That’s my taxpayer money. That’s your taxpayer money.
If you’re telling me that we shouldn’t do these things, remind yourself of the things we’re asking for. We want cleaner air and healthier people. So even if you’re not completely convinced by the climate change piece, the air quality piece should be the wake up call for us to do something. But we are now exporting what we’ve learned.
The UK is a leader in offshore wind, and we’re exporting that knowledge and that intellectual property to the rest of the world. I mean, I’m an example of that. So I built $500 million of the wind farms. I’ve worked for the National Grid, decarbonising heat and transport. It’s embarrassing, but I’m seen as an expert. I mean, it’s just my day job, right?
Matt Sims
You’re seen as a rock star.
Graeme Cooper
Bizarrely, the American visa process gives me an O visa, right, which is the same as if you’re a rock star or you’re a brain surgeon, so I don’t even get it. But anyway, but what it does show is that as a country, the US has realised it’s quite a high emitter. I mean, it’s one of the dirtiest countries in the world.
But they are moving really fast in this direction. And so by doing that, there’s a bit of a brain drain of expertise from around the world being paid to move to the US. So yes, so I’m going there to try and help actually move the dial faster in the US, which ultimately will help move the dial for the world.
Matt Sims
Well, good on you. I’m sorry we’re losing you from the UK. May your expertise here have a positive impact over there.
Graeme Cooper
Well, my role is a global role. I mean, your comment, which was, “Why are we doing it here if no one else is doing it?” Actually, the business I work for, Jacobs, which is a global engineering firm, we have 66,100 employees globally. I mean, that’s mad. I don’t even know what that looks like. But our energy and power division has become a global division rather than a regional division.
And that’s because we recognise that actually, the energy transition is happening everywhere. It’s being interpreted slightly differently, but it’s happening everywhere. And it’s happening fast. But what we realise is there’s no rulebook. There’s no instruction. Nobody’s decarbonised the planet before. So we’re not following an instruction manual. We’re having to make it up as we go along.
So what you find is there are little pockets of global best practice. We are seeing the best bits around the world and combining them to help countries move faster. I’ll use a very simple example. I’ve just recently been bidding to help one of the states in the US. In the tender document, they say, “Oh, yeah, we ought to consider disabled access and accessibility.” And when we said, “Well, to what standard?” They went, “We don’t know.”
Do you know that the UK actually has… it’s called, I think, PAS 1199. It’s an accessibility standard for EV charging. It’s the first in the world, so therefore, it’s the best in the world. So actually, I’m exporting the British standard for accessible EV charging, and it’s been inked into the tender document for an entire state in the US as the de facto standard for accessible charging. We often think that we’re a little country, we don’t have as much influence as we had. Actually, to some extent, we are setting standards.
Another thing that we’re exporting as an idea… you know, I told you earlier in the interview about time of use. So I use my power and my car chargers only when the power is cleanest and cheapest. We have smart chargers. We are one of the first countries in the world to develop that as a standard and to make it law.
Again, in the bid that I’m using in the US, we’ve actually proposed to their equivalent of National Grid that we help them copy the UK so that they can have smart charging and smart time of use so they can use the cleanest power and the cheapest power in a really, really smart way. So don’t underestimate the global significance of our little island off Europe.
Matt Sims
I love that. Graeme, that is very encouraging.
What does the net zero transition mean for motorhomers?
Matt Sims
You’re in the position of taking a world view on this, and you have a very global attitude to it. And you need to, I get that. But for John and Doreen, who are 62 years old, embarking on retirement and have just bought their first motorhome, their world is very different to that. Their view of the world is very different. What would the one thing be, just to close, that would you say to them and to the rest of us listening to this podcast – what would your words be to us as we embark on this next decade of massive change?
Graeme Cooper
I’m going to counter that. I don’t think your world is going to change massively in the next decade. So if we’re talking to if we’re talking to Jean and Bob in their brand new diesel motorhome today, just enjoy it. Your world isn’t going to change. In the lifetime of the vehicle you’ve just bought, your world is not going to change. If Bob and Doreen in 2035 are going to go, “Oh, let’s embark on an EV campervan,” okay, that is going to start to look different. But you’ve got 13 years to think about what different might look like.
So what I would say is look, please, it might seem scary that there’s a lot of change, but don’t fear change. Because generally, change often creates better things. But what I would say is that this is a transition and not a cliff edge. So go eyes wide open, understand what’s happening. If you ever see an electric motorhome, ask questions. How do you use it? How do you fill it up? How far does it go?
Educate yourself and become richer in your knowledge. This is a transition, not a cliff edge. If you are in a beautiful petrol or diesel motorhome today, just enjoy motorhoming. Don’t shorten your life worrying about what may never be or what may never happen to you, because you don’t know what will happen to you. Genuinely, this is a transition not a cliff edge. So enjoy it. Keep doing what you’re doing.
Change is difficult, but don’t fear it. My best holiday ever was when I was studying in the US. I finished my MBA at Haas Business School at UC Berkeley, a very cool place to study. And we hired a Winnebago. I mean, this thing was on a big Ford platform. I mean, this thing I think was 4.8 litres. And we toured all that East Coast Highway, we did Vegas, we did the Nevada desert, we did the Hoover Dam, we did the Grand Canyon.
The only way to do that is in an RV. So please don’t think that I’m being preachy and I’m not engaged with this. I grew up in a family of caravanners, so I’ve been there and I’ve done it. But genuinely, don’t shorten your life worrying about something that is going to happen eventually and will happen gently and isn’t going to change your world today.
Matt Sims
Well, you’ve heard it from the man himself, the guy pioneering this change. Just enjoy it, just go and do it. Graeme, thank you so much. It’s really important, isn’t it, to have this conversation about this topic and about this change. And I’m very grateful to you to allow me to flag our little corner of the world and our niche to you.
Because it’s really important to hundreds of thousands of us, like you yourself, who’ve enjoyed this pastime for many, many years. And we want to continue doing that. So Graeme, thank you very much for letting me flag the world of motorhomes and campervans to you, and I hope you bear us in the back of your mind when you’re implementing change from a global level. And thank you very much for your time today. We really appreciate having you on the podcast. Thank you, Graeme.
Graeme Cooper
Thank you, Matt. Look, I’m really glad that you’re pioneering and actually driving the debate. We live in an internet world where someone has to be wrong for you to be right. We’ve lost the power of debate.
What I can only thank you for is the fact that you are asking the right questions. We’re having the debate. It’s all part of learning. And so just thank you. I have listened to some of your podcasts. They’re great. I will continue listening. I look forward to seeing how this evolves. So thank you very much as well.
Keith Gooden
That’s Graeme Cooper, and he’s currently global vice president of energy transition at Jacobs and soon to be in Boston. But he stopped off and talk to motorhome app before he left!
Matt Sims
He did! What a privilege to be able to talk to a guy who’s really painting the global picture. And the US – they are going to have a massive impact on how the world decarbonises and how we make our journey to net zero.
Keith Gooden
We think we’ve got it bad over here. In the United States, the distances are so much greater. And the RV industry, the recreational vehicle industry, reflects that as well. People don’t just go 100 or 200 miles, they’re going 500, 600, 700, 1,000 miles.
Matt Sims
That’s right. And I’ve no doubt Graeme will be advising Joe Biden. He’s already working with Joe Biden’s rollout of that scheme he talked about. So it was brilliant to just have his ear for over an hour, actually. And these are just some small snippets of our conversation. But hopefully, we can get Graeme on again in the future. And thank you, Graeme, and lovely to know that you’ve been listening to the podcast and will continue to do so.
The overall outlook from Motorhome Matt
Keith Gooden
So having heard this from Graeme in parts one and two of these two podcasts, how would you sum it up? How would you tie it all up, what you’ve heard from him? What’s the future?
Matt Sims
I think the future is very bright. I think there’s a lot of change coming at all levels. I think the big thing for me is mindset change. I think that there’s a new generation coming that will look at our use of fossil fuels and scratch their head and go, “Really?” I think there’ll be in disdain. They will just accept that using fossil fuels will pollute the planet, and that’s a bad thing.
And I think there’ll be a newborn passion to protect Earth, this place we live, and that goes really deep. It was Paul Kirby in a previous episode who said, “We’re going to spend this next six years changing what we’ve done for 100 years.” And that’s so true, and I think it’s an exciting time. That change is scary. There is an awful lot of uncertainty. There are a lot of questions still unanswered. And this is a journey, not a cliff edge, as Graeme kept saying.
Keith Gooden
And remember our community, the motorhomers, the caravanners and the campers, these are people who for decades have been treating the UK and Europe and beyond with respect and doing their best. And this is just part of that, isn’t it? We see it already, don’t we? That transition has started already.
Matt Sims
It has started already, even with our phones. I mean, someone gave me a great example the other day – you have a choice of two phones, one with a battery that will last a day, and you might have to plug it in once or twice during the day, but you’ll plug it in every night. The other, you have to drive 10 miles and pay £50 to recharge it every three weeks. That’s the difference between an EV and current petrol or diesel car, isn’t it?
We’re used to just travelling a few miles to a fuel station and going and refuelling and paying quite a chunk for that, versus charging regularly for a few pence. So we’re already doing that with our phones. So the transition is happening and it is a mindset change which is coming that we all need to adopt and we will learn to adopt, but it is a transition. This is not going to happen overnight.
Keith Gooden
We talked about FUD last week, didn’t we, urban myths. Remember, by listening to Motorhome Matt, you are up with the latest news, not just opinions from the industry, but the reality of what the major manufacturers and dealers are doing.
Matt Sims
Yes, exactly. Yeah. And it’s an exciting time to be alive, I think. I said to someone recently, “I think this is going to be an equivalent to the Industrial Revolution.” I mean, it’s not. It’s not going to be that major. But we are going to see an impact on our personal lives, the way we conduct ourselves and the way we behave when we go on a journey.
Audience Q&A
Keith: “How long do electric vehicle batteries last?”
Keith Gooden
It’s the Motorhome Matt podcast. I’m Keith Gooden.
Matt Sims
And I’m Motorhome Matt.
Keith Gooden
We missed it out last week, but it’s back this week – the Q&A, your questions and answers. And I do love this because we get to hear from you right here on the podcast. Keith Gee is Llanelli. Have I pronounced that right?
Matt Sims
You have.
Keith Gooden
Keith says, “Electric vehicles sound great, but how long do the batteries last?” That’s the big question, Keith. “And what is the cost?” Another big question. “Cars are said to last eight to 10 years and the replacement costs would be £10,000 to £30,000, ouch! With Tesla, you totally lease the batteries.” For a lot of cars, not just Tesla, you do just lease the batteries.
“In batteries, there are some nasty materials that need to be processed. Who is going to recycle them?” If there’s money in it, someone will, I’d say. “Clean energy for vehicles but not for the battery manufacturer or recycling?” Well, I would say that entrepreneurs will start to recycle. But what’s your view?
Matt Sims
Yeah, it’s interesting that this has been another big topic that I’ve been scratching the surface of. And EVs are said to last much longer than a petrol or diesel car. So it’s deemed that a petrol diesel car will last typically 15 to 20 years. An EV potentially could last much longer than that – over 300,000 mile. The battery could be taken out for a second life as power storage in a house. So by that point, the battery might only be 60% effective. That’s sufficient to store energy for a home.
A whole load of new industries are coming. There’s a whole load of new battery technology coming as well. So we’re very much focused right now on lithium ion, but sodium batteries are coming. Hydrogen cells are coming. Will they be appropriate for cars? Graeme says probably not. Let’s see.
There’s a company who have started pioneering hydrogen cell technology in vans. And as you say, there will be entrepreneurs who launch businesses to respond to this challenge. That is how the free world works. People see an opportunity, and they will get creative and they will go for it.
Keith Gooden
Yeah. And also, Keith, don’t be a FUDer. Don’t look at everything by standing still from this viewpoint today. Battery technology, as Matt’s just outlined, is progressing all the time. And we just don’t know when the next big breakthrough will come. Lithium ion was a huge breakthrough.
Matt Sims
It was. Yeah. I mean, look at the way our mobile phones have evolved. I mean, that’s taken time. But the pace of change has increased astronomically, hasn’t it? Technology is improving. This is a global shift. And despite your view of other parts of the world, we as a planet are all making this move to net zero, and I think the whole planet realises we need to do it.
But different countries have different challenges. So it’s a global change. There will be countries that pioneer the change. The western world certainly, but we are going to see a lot of pioneering change coming out of eastern Europe as well and from China and Asia.
Rob: “Any suggestions for LPG gas refills?”
Keith Gooden
Rob Ingram’s in Bridgwater in Somerset. “Hi Matt. I can’t seem to find anywhere that sells LPG gas from the pump for my motorhome. Any suggestions, please?”
Matt Sims
We’ve talked about this before, haven’t we? Sadly, Rob, Motor Fuels Group, MFG, who run all the LPG dispenser points at fuel stations across the country have said that in 2024, those pumps are going to disappear. They’re not renewing the leases on them. So you’re going to find that refill pumps are going to disappear. But going back to your entrepreneurial point, there are still thousands of people who have refillable gas bottles, either removable ones or fixed ones on their campervan or their motorhome.
I think businesses will step up to the plate and will start creating dispensing facilities. I would love one, actually, even though it’s a fossil fuel. I think there’s still 10 or more years of fossil fuel use when it comes to gas in motorhomes and campervans. I think we will transition away from it. But that’s a different topic. I would love to have a gas dispense point here. We just don’t have the space, so it’s not feasible, but it’s something that as a business I would certainly consider, which means it gives the consumers who need refill gas points an option.
Keith Gooden
Okay, Rob, thanks for the question. Hope that’s been of some help. But Matt, what about refillables? What’s their future?
Matt Sims
Well, it’s a great question. I think if you’re going to the continent, they’re a must have because you can’t get Calor gas on the continent. And refillable gas points are prominent everywhere on the continent. Whilst they are disappearing here in the UK, that may start to happen on the continent. I don’t know.
I’d say what I would love though, is if Auto Gas, Gaslow, low AluGas or Gasit, one of the refillable bottle manufacturers, would come on this podcast and talk to us about it. What’s their view of the world? My view is, and this is what I’m seeing, locally, all our gas refill points are shutting down. MFG are removing them from all the motorway services. That’s a fact. That’s happening.
We’re seeing companies like Brownhills introduce a gas refill point. I’d like to have one, we don’t have the space. But the bottle manufacturers – what’s their view? What are they predicting for the next decade? Is it worth having a refillable gas bottle on your motorhome or caravan? We’d love to know.
Keith Gooden
Yeah, because there is some confusion around this and Rob’s question here is… he’s really asking, “What’s the future of it, and do I need to change?” So if you’re listening and you’re from one of those companies, we really want you to come on and speak to us here at the Motorhome Matt podcast to put everybody straight and make sure that people who have got refillables can continue with them. And maybe if people are considering them, then you can sell them up, frankly.
Matt Sims
Yeah, they have a value, definitely. They’re not cheap to buy, and secondhand they always have a residual value. So yeah, come on. Let’s have you on.
Get in touch with Matt and Keith
Keith Gooden
Well, thanks for joining us on the Motorhome Matt podcast. How do people get in touch with us, Matt?
Matt Sims
Very easily. You can go to www.motorhomematt.co.uk/askmatt, where you can ask your question. You can record it by hitting the orange button or fill in the form. But make sure, if you do record it, to please tell us where you are. We love to know where in the country you are. You’ll also find us on YouTube where there’s a plethora of video content. Make sure you hit the little bell and the subscribe button and make sure you go and check us out on Facebook and Instagram as well.
Keith Gooden
Is that your word of the day, plethora?
Matt Sims
Plethora is a good word. It’s better than FUD.
Keith Gooden
Yes… and Apple and Spotify?
Matt Sims
Apple and Spotify – my favourite dessert. If you’re listening on either platform, you can leave us a review there and we would be ever so grateful if you do one of two things. Firstly, leave us a five-star review and share the podcast with someone who you think would appreciate hearing it.
